I thought my worst sleep problems would live and die with the newborn years, but I was mistaken. I now have a five and eight-year-old and I am knee deep in sleep problems. Did I say knee deep? I meant neck deep. It’s bad, guys.
When the kids were babies, we sleep trained and it was really successful for us. We taught the kids to fall asleep on their own, how to stay asleep throughout the night (or at least put themselves back to sleep if they woke up, without waking up everyone else in the house) and even got them to a point where they were waking up at a reasonable hour and not before the sun came up.
With both kids, we experienced some issues when they switched to toddler beds, but were able to reenforce the rules and everything was okay for a few years. Now, it’s all gone to shit.
Here are a few of my issues:
1) Mazzy and Harlow procrastinate going to bed so much that by the time I actually get them to start the process of winding down, I am pissed and frustrated.
They beg me to play for five more minutes, they tell me they still have homework to do, they shut themselves in the bathroom and brush their teeth for a ridiculous amount of time, they suddenly feel the urge to poop, they can’t agree on a book, they don’t know what to wear tomorrow, etc. etc. until I’m like, “OH MY GOD JUST GET IN YOUR ROOM AND GO TO SLEEP!!!!!” Relaxing wind down routine officially over before it even started.
2) They don’t know how to settle down on their own.
Mazzy and Harlow often rile each other up at bedtime. They don’t stay in their beds, they chat and horse around, even after lights are out. When I finally convince them to settle, it’s often only because I lie down in bed with them. And, of course, they fight over who I lie with first. Harlow literally has trouble lying down. She will sit up in her bed and play with her stuffed animals, arrange her blankets and pillows in “houses” around her and tell me things like “I don’t know how to close my eyes.” Then she thrashes around with all her stuffies and blankets until she eventually passes out in a contorted heap. So often I find myself saying, “Just put your head down on the pillow and let me tuck you in like a normal person!” but that is the absolute last thing she wants to do. Usually, I will stay in bed with Harlow until she falls asleep and then switch to Mazzy’s bed, who seems to call out “MOMMMM!!!! IT’S MY TURN!!!!” at the exact moment Harlow finally shuts her eyes every night. Then Mazzy claims she needs “soft tickles” on her back to fall asleep.
3) I’ve always put my kids to bed at the same time and I’m not sure that is working for us anymore.
Originally, I was told to put my kids to bed at the same time because they share a room and I would not want to do bedtime routine twice. That made sense when Harlow was a baby and Mazzy was a toddler. But now that they are older, it’s not working for a variety of reasons. First of all, since they are in the same room, when they go to bed at the same time, they keep each other up. They basically play in the dark until I come in and yell at them to settle down. Then they lie down, start chatting, jump all over each other from one bed to the next and eventually start full on playing again. That is, unless I stay in the room, which is one of many reasons our night usually ends this way. But, even then, Harlow is so much more needy of me at bedtime, that I feel like Mazzy often gets the short end of the stick. It seems like a better way to get quality one on one time with each of them would be to put Harlow to sleep first and then spend an extra half hour with Mazzy, either reading a book with her (like Harry Potter) that Harlow is too young to understand, watching a show that is not really appropriate for Harlow’s age, or giving Mazzy extra time for homework. This all sounds ideal for Mazzy, but since Harlow is used to going to bed at the same time as her big sister and hates to be alone, I have a feeling she will not take well to this idea at all.
4) I usually stay in their room until they are both asleep.
I find that the fastest method of getting Mazzy and Harlow to fall asleep (and usually the one with the least yelling) is just to stay in the room with them. If I don’t lie down with them, they just take turns coming out of their room to beg me to lie down with them. If they aren’t coming to find me, it usually means they are up and playing in the dark. And so, most nights, I am finally able to sneak out only after both of them are fast asleep. If I’m being honest, once they settle, I don’t mind lying with them so much. It’s nice to cuddle and chat and I know they won’t want to do that forever. But I’m inconsistent, because sometimes I welcome the time and sometimes I need to get stuff done after they go to bed and I get annoyed. And even more often, I’ll end up falling asleep in Mazzy and Harlow’s bed myself and miss out entirely on some alone time with Mike.
So, as I said, bedtime routine is kind of a shitshow.
So where am I going with this? Do I have answers? Not yet. But when Hadley Seward, a New York City-based certified sleep consultant, reached out to see if she could contribute to my blog, I jumped at the chance. Even though her main clientele is new moms with babies, I asked her if she could help me and my readers navigate bedtime for toddlers and up. Can she fix us?
Come back Thursday to read my new blog series, Big Kid Bedtime Problems! Hadley’s going to contribute every other week to help us set boundaries, enforce the rules and most of all, figure out a routine that works for US. For instance, I really need bedtime strategies for siblings who share a room.
Please tell me what your big kid sleep issues are in the comments. We’ll be using your questions to help us pick topics going forward!
You can follow Hadley on Instagram at @_bonnenuitbaby.
I do number 4, as it’s what’s most efficient, ans I’m sure I won’t be lying next to my daughter until she is a teenager in order for her to sleep.
I also use a few drops of aromatherapy on her pillow, to calm her down. Lol!
Transitioning from non-scheduled summer to back-to-school bedtime routine is so hard!
My son, 6.5 years old, will not go to bed when I’m not in the house, and insists on sleeping with me. Both these sleep issues started after his dad moved out, but it has now been 1.5 years since that transition. I’m a divorced single mom, with essentially full custody, so the sleeping with me issue isn’t terrible but also isn’t ideal. The bigger problem is getting him to go to bed when a babysitter is at the house. I have at least three weeknight meetings a month, and would prefer to not feel the need to rush home so he’ll be asleep at a reasonable hour. We have no develop issues, attachment or mental health concerns that I see as the cause of these issues–just the slippery slope that has gotten us into this “mess”.
Other than them getting up too early on the weekends, we don’t really have sleep issues. I attribute that to the fact that out of everything, we do not f*ck around with sleep. Granted they don’t share a room, but we sleep trained both. We do not let them sleep in our bed, because we did not want that to become a long term thing. We stick to an early bedtime, even on vacations and weekends. I might let them use screens too much and eat in front of the tv, but I do not mess around with bedtime. Lots of times I clean the playroom because it is easier than making them do it, but dammit you WILL go to bed on time LOL.
Also, we stuck to the rule I grew up with…You don’t have to be asleep at 8:00, but you need to be in bed with lights out and don’t you dare bother your parents unless there is blood.
Finally, and this is just my opinion, the whole “Lay down with me” thing is manipulation.
I completely agree with you don’t mess around with sleep. It is like I could have written everything you did. My kids are older now (14 and 11) still with bed times during school. The 14 year old doesn’t like it, but I tell him if he will get up perfectly in the morning, he can go to bed whenever he wants. So far, he hasn’t been able to do that (he is a bear in the morning). I value my sleep, and I think the kids knew that at a very early age. They value sleep now too. I had a bed time all through high school. My mom tells me now that it was self-imposed. Who knew?
My daughter is almost 5 and has always woke up throughout the night (she is a twin). I can put her in her bed over and over, but after 3am, if I dont let her climb in the bed with us, I won’t be sleeping. She just doesn’t seem to require the normal amount of sleep for a 5 year old (wakes up chipper and fine come 6:30am). I’m exhausted.
We ask reasons, get various answers and address according to those answers, and then she finds a new reason. We’ve tried putting her back in her bed over and over, and after a few weeks I broke down (almost literally) from lack of sleep.
1. Definitely stagger bedtimes! Once you’re really asleep, the sleep before midnight is your deepest and Harlow will be unlikely to be disturbed by Mazzy getting in bed.
2. Move bedtime earlier for both overall.
3. Think about falling to sleep in the same way you did when they were infants–division of responsibility! You build their sleep environment and help them with routine, actually falling asleep is their job (so no more laying in bed with them). It will take some adjusting but you have to be able to live with some late nights (and maybe unconventional sleeping spots like the floor) in the interim as they learn to listen to their bodies and get themselves to sleep.
4. Move everything that’s not head hitting the pillow to take place outside of their room, and build/bolster the bedtime routine with their input (changing books, teeth brushing, potty, etc.).
Thanks for sharing, it’s nice to see we are not the only family with dysfunctional sleep. My girls (3 & 5) share a room. The youngest could be easily taught to go to bed on her own, but the oldest has major issues falling asleep alone. We’ve gotten to where a parent can sit in the room, near the door (took us over a freaking year to go from lying down with her to now). But any time we even suggest sitting outside the door, she freaks and then bedtime is ruined for both kids. Would love some tips on introducing change in the bedtime routine with an overly anxious child!
Yes! This is us, but mine are 7,5. The 7 yo has major anxiety surrounding bedtime and has issue falling asleep and staying asleep. Shes always had issues sleeping, we sat in their room for a long time, FINALLY was able to stop, but now we’re forced to sit outside their room till the 7 yo falls asleep. Hubby and I say we’re being held hostage every night!
My two oldest are the same age as your girls and they also share a room. Luckily my 6 year old is completely worn out at the end of the day and just passes out so he can’t entertain his sister. My daughter would read until midnight if she could, so I have to constantly check to make sure she didn’t smuggle a book in bed with her. Our biggest issues are bedtime stalling and waking each other up WAY too early in the morning. I hope things improve for you!
YES! I can’t wait to come back Thursday! We are having the same problem as you. We moved into a rental house in November and finally moved into our home in June. The boys slept fine in their own bedrooms in the rental (well my older son always wanted someone to sleep with him) but the new house they are both now afraid to sleep by themselves (the master is on the 1st floor). We have a loft upstairs, so they both sleep on the sectional instead of in their rooms.
My coworker gave me a book to read that she swears by Solve Your Child’s Sleep Problems: New, Revised, and Expanded Edition by Dr. Ferber…but total Mom fail…I fell asleep after the 1st chapter.
I have extra-BIG kids — teenagers. While they don’t require or need me to lie down with them to sleep my 15 yo son has a hard time unplugging and getting settled. I’ve read that the sleep rhythm for teens shifts to later but that doesn’t change the fact that he has to be up by 6:45a for school.
One thing that worked for my 2 and 5 YOs is a bedtime clock, similar to these: https://www.google.com/search?q=diy+bedtime+clock&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS770US770&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi38q60su3cAhUOo4MKHRi6AkwQ_AUI5AEoAQ&biw=1536&bih=826
They know if they get their PJs on when the clock is still in the blue, they get play time. If they don’t hurry, they lose out on extra time to do what they want. Or, if they’re still playing when they clock switches sections and they’re out of time, I take that toy away! It’s not perfect, but it’s definitely helped.
I am so happy to hear others have issues with their big kids too! I have the same issues, though my boys have separate rooms. One sleeps great after he finally falls asleep. But I have one who is so scared to sleep alone I can’t leave the room without him immediately sitting up and crying, even when he is dead asleep. I’ve just started letting him sleep with me because then I actually get some sleep too! So I’d love to know what others have done to get a scared kid back in their own bed and stay there. And also how to get kids to put themselves to sleep!
First, I think I originally found you when my now 4.5 year old was a much younger and wouldn’t sleep without me. Ummmm and here I am with a four year old who still will not sleep without me! My two (7 & 4) also share a room. Usually j sit between their beds and wait for them to drift off. Usually the four year old cons me into laying with her because she also “doesn’t know how to sleep” or shut her eyes. What’s the worst is she calls out for me in the night and so I have to sleep walk in here and lay with her for the remainder of the night. Not getting much rest in the crack of a twin bed for four years is what one might call exhausting. Any and all help appreciated!!
We moved a few months ago from a small apartment with my kids, 4yo daughter and 8yo son, sharing a bedroom. Now we have a house and they each have their own room. Neither one of them can fall asleep without me lying on the floor beside them. Luckily, with the age difference, I can put younger one to bed first, then after she’s asleep, I put my son down. While the above is inconvenient, the new problem we have is my daughter will wake up in the middle of the night crying, nightmares maybe?, and we have to stay in the room with her until she falls back to sleep… and this happens multiple times every night. It’s like being up for newborn feedings again!
I can’t wait to follow this series! A question I have is: how can I resolve (what I think is) sleep anxiety in my 5.5 year old son? He gets so worked up about going to bed and tosses and turns and won’t stay still. He needs me to hold his hand and lay with him until he falls asleep. He gets emotional/teary-eyed sometimes about having to sleep and says that he wishes it could stay daytime forever so he never has to sleep. This isn’t normal behavior, is it?
I look forward to reading more!
I have a 5 year old girl and 2 1/2 year old boy. For a short time they shared a room (toddler bed & a crib) and they both went to bed at the same time and never had issues, which I found kind of weird but satisfying when hey would go down well and I wouldn’t hear a peep out of them. We moved and bought a bigger house and they each got their own room. We still put them to bed at the same time (same time since they were babies) and they somehow go right to sleep. We have had a consistent bedtime routine since the beginning: bath, brush teeth, book, and lights out. My husband takes care of our daughter and I take care of our son. It’s definitely a team effort for us. Our daughter has grown to NEED two songs sung to her, so she gets that. But otherwise, they just go to sleep. We got real lucky that they listen (to an extent). Bedtime is not something we mess around with. I definitely didn’t want to form any bad habits over time, so we did what came natural to us. I’d like to add that on an occasion or two, they sometimes come out of their room to “need” something, but they’re easy to put back down. My parents, who live far away and live closer to my brother and his 4 kids, often comment how my they can’t believe my kids just go to bed, with no issues. They’re so used to their other grandkids who stay up late, have sleep issues, who need this and that just to fall asleep. I don’t think we did anything special or have the solution to sleep issues, we just got super lucky with our kids.
My 8 year old will finally walk up to bed by herself and go to sleep but my 5 year old has me lay on the couch with her until she falls asleep and then my husband carries her to bed. It is not ideal.
My kids are the same age as yours. They have their own rooms but we also struggle with bed tine routines and the little One wants to cuddle or at least touch someone when falling asleep. Hubby öies down with her and regularly snores before she is asleep. I usually sit next to her and twist my arm so she can touch me. At the end of the day I am Simply tired did twisdting my arm makes me uncomfortable and I get impatient which is unfair for they child. I would love slme advise.
Also the bigger one gets up really early 6 o’clock dometimes also 5…
Our boys share a room and we stagger because they are 5 years apart. It’s only 30 mins or so – they all go to a bed at the same time so no one feels like they are getting unfair treatment but the biggest one goes to my room to read, the middle one goes to her own room to read and the littlest one gets mommy bedtime. One story, three lullabies and out. The lullabies are the key for our younger two. They are the time for excessive cuddling, kissing, strokes and tickles – and they signal end of mommy time. If I am going out they get lullabies before I leave and will often go to bed early to get them in bed. They are slightly bonkers. After the middle one gets mommy bedtime then I snuggle the eldest in our room before sliding him into his own room by which time the youngest is asleep and the eldest gets torch reading time for 10 minutes. Both the younger two used to need me to lie with them when they transitioned to big kid beds and it used to drive me nuts as I used to work from home in the evenings so Daddy took over bedtime for a while.
I’m always interested if you are out or Daddy or a sitter does bedtime or they are staying with someone else how do they do bedtime? I think mine only play up for me. And I would give in to it because there was a long time I loved the bed snuggles and feeling of them dropping off on me. It was part of the routine I liked. Until I didn’t. But on the rare occasion they play up then we have a rule – mommy will go in once after lullabies after that you get Daddy because mommy is off the clock – or working. If it’s me they want they quit pretty quickly when they get him.
Will be reading this series with interest though as I think even if you crack it a transition or change or situation can throw the whole thing for a loop and you never know what’s going to kick that off!
My daughter is 7 1/2 and refuses to go to sleep without me laying next to her. Being in my bedroom down the hall is not good enough!! She throws fits. Gets angry. Gets sad and cries hysterically!! It takes hours. I end up falling asleep next to her and the rest of my night is shot. Oh and she stalls constantly as well. I’m losing my freaking mind!!!
So interested in this. My kids are younger (2,5 and 4,5), but I so see this coming. They are reasonably well off now as we have always been super strict about bed time (never lie down with them, never transition to our bed, always at the same time), but we are planning on transitioning to a bunk bed very soon and I am NERVOUS.
The younger one especially is hard to put down and will demand tons of things (water, books, pacifiers, etc) and sometimes get almost panicky after we put her in the bed. The big one falls asleep in 5 minutes IF the little one can stay quiet 5 minutes. Otherwise he is up as well.
I am very interested in tricks to make the transition as smooth as possible so we don’t end up sleeping in their bed. It’s so hard to turn the ship once the bad habits has crept in.
We have similar “going to sleep” issues. My 4 year old will sometimes successfully go to sleep on his own without “a body” as we say…meaning hubs or I lie with him. My 6.5 year old will absolutely not. She gets massive anxiety about being by herself in her bed and cries or gets up to find us. So basically, we divide and each of us takes a kid so the 4 year old isn’t getting the short stick because his big sis has anxiety issues. It means that when hubby is traveling, I do joint bedtime in my room to keep the peace. I used to be ok with it, but I’m realizing now that those days/weeks when he’s away are the time I need recharge space the most, and having my bed overrun with kid limbs is no longer working. So yes…the getting to sleep independently issue is at the top of my list. They also frequently come into our bed around 1 am and stay there for the rest of the night…and by frequently, I mean every night. Help!!
I have an 18months old and 5 yr old and I let mine cry way more than I thought I would for sleep. Honestly I feel like I need a mom sleep class for myself. I can never seem to stay on a consistent schedule if their up for illnesses, the moon. Then I end up napping the next day and up until 2 or 3 am. It’s a vicious cycle
i am not a mom, but my little sister and i had trouble with this too. we always wanted to lie down with our mom. we did *not* share a room, so we were always fighting about this.
the solution that worked for us was that we would all lie down in a 3rd location (usually my parents’ bed) and my mom would make clear that we got to be there for ~*ONE*~ chapter of a book (usually harry potter, which my little sister (who is 2.5 years younger) was less interested in, so she’d just cuddle with my mom), and then we got an allotted amount of quiet lying down time after that. usually for us, it was the end of the 10 pm news broadcast (10:30). if we fell asleep before then, my mom would carry or walk us back to our own rooms. if we didn’t fall asleep before then, we were expected to walk ourselves back to our own rooms and lie down.
more work for my mom, but it encouraged us to try to fall asleep fairly quickly (we wanted to try to fall asleep while we were still in bed with my mom) and also was good for putting a cap on our time lying down with her. eventually we adjusted to just going to sleep in our own rooms.
Hello! Some suggestions: to start you *may* want to consider a sleep consultant. GASP dare I say it? There are lots of valuable options here (and I have some myself) but nothing beats an experienced professional who can dissect your entire routine especially with things that others may not know/see/notice. Could be the amount of light in the room, what they are eating, how long they eat before bed. Overtime bodies respond differently to foods and beverages and this is quite often an overlooked aspect. ALSO screentime (another gasp), it could be the light from it and deciding if maybe you eliminate it an hour before bed. Get those eyes nice and rested as opposed to eye strain/stress before trying to relax.
Aside from that, definitely stagger bedtimes though be prepared for the explanation for Harlow. Being younger is tough (youngest here 🙋🏼♀️) and this will be the beginning of “well Mazzy is… older” explanations. But also wrap in that Mazzy needs to demonstrate she is ready for an later bedtime.
Remove things from the room they may be playing with *until* they go to bed without a fight. Sometimes they aren’t ready to go to sleep (do you go to bed at the same exact time? Or does it fluctuate) maybe have a single book in there if they want the extra time. Or continue to remove everything. This may be a good trade off point though, Mazzy gets a later bedtime and Harlow gets a book to unwind with.
Absolutely cut back on the laying with them until they fall asleep. Perhaps, lay while reading a book, going over the feelings of the day (im a therapist hehe) or the plan for the next day and how important rest is.
In sleep hygiene there are *swing* times and that means a 15-20 min (sometimes 30 😳) of an earlier OR later bedtime. The key here is (like babies) deciding are they having trouble unwinding because they are overtired? Or not tired enough? Based on what I see, I’m guessing overtired because they seem quite busy and active (as they should be). So in that case, aim for earlier. But it also means you START your routine earlier. If you want them asleep by say 8, adjust the pjs, teeth brushing and bathroom trips, and books, to reflect the time BEFORE 8. Asleep and bedtime routine are different times.
Lastly, they won’t be like this forever. It’s summer and it could be all the “living our best summer life” vibes. I suggest parents start changing bedtimes 2 weeks before school (if they changed them for the summer) so it gives their body plenty of time to adjust.
I have a 3 (almost 4) year old son who’s never really been a good sleeper. I tried sleep training him when he was a baby and it worked for a good 5 months until he started climbing out of his crib and we had to switch to a toddler bed and then to a regular twin bed and it’s all been downhill since then. He wants me to be in his room lying on the floor every night at bedtime while he keeps asking for a drink of water from his sippy cup (even though its right next to his bed and he can reach it) and most nights, he still wakes up and needs me there for him to go back to sleep. Most nights, if he wakes me up more than once or it takes forever for him to fall back asleep or he wakes up after 3am and it’s harder for him to fall asleep by then, I end up putting couch cushions on the floor next to his bed and sleep there the rest of the night. It’s been hard on my back and sleep and my sanity. I try just tucking him in after bedtime routine and leaving and he screams and cries for me. And when he wakes up at night, I try to just put him back in bed and leave the room or not stay there too long and he’s usually crying back for me or getting out of his room. I try bribing him every night, saying he’ll get skickers, candy and a toy if he doesnt wake me up at night. I tried a few different night lights to see which works. I try spraying lavender spray on his bed every night. I try assuring him that his room is an inviting place with all his stuffed animals and favorite toys and car and train stickers on the wall next to his bed and even a picture of mommy and daddy next to his bed. He has the fan on and a white noise machine on all night. I don’t know what else to do. I’m starting to think that I should just put another bed in his room for me or my husband to sleep with him every night cause I’m out of ideas.
I can’t wait to read what you guys come up with. We have issues here as well, and also share a room. My 4 year old son sleeps in his own bed but cries each night because he’d rather snuggle in ours. We’ve made Saturday nights “family snuggle night”, which helps make that easier, but then in comes the baby sister. My eight months old co-sleeps with us and has no interest in her crib, or even being further than arms distance from me (HER arms) from 8pm til 8am. In bed or not. I’m trying to night wean her from the 24/7 boob buffet she’s become used to, then I have to somehow transition her to her crib around the same time we’re transitioning her brother into preschool. I guess I’m going to have to pull up your old blog about sleep training Harlow with Mazzy in the room, because I’m really confused right now about how that’s supposed to go down…
I have 3 kids 11, 9, and 5. Honestly my only issue is the youngest one. I was pretty strict with the older 2, and I did great putting the youngest to bed till she was almost 2, because we were moving and lots of crazy things going on in life we got into the horrible habit of having to lay in bed to get the youngest to sleep. So now my 5 year old still can’t go to sleep unless someone is laying with her. I hate it and think well it won’t last forever but honestly she’s 5 it might be FOREVER. I sometimes fall asleep with her and don’t sleep well at all. I really don’t know what to do at this point.
We so need this in our house! Like you we did the sleep training when our daughter when she was little and it worked great. We made the transition to the toddler bed and that was fine, she would yell at us in the morning when she was ready to get up. Somewhere along the way she started getting out of bed and coming to us in the middle of the night and sleeping with us. It started out occasionally so we didn’t stop it. With nightmares, unfamiliar surroundings while on vacations, and us just being plain tired we didn’t think much of it. Now one of us is sitting there while she falls asleep and at some point she comes in our bed between 1-5 AM. I suspect it has to do with how we are putting her to bed? So glad you are going to have a sleep expert on your blog. I find it much harder to know what to do with a 3 year old and being that she can get out of bed now and is very strong willed it is very hard to get her to go back to bed without a total meltdown. Help!
My 6 year old son is having issues with nightmares and has now become afraid of the dark. He has also been diagnosed with severe ADHD. I don’t know if it is his medication causing the sleep issues or if he is in a stage.
When he was little and we did not know about the ADHD, he was a sweet and lovable child who just wanted Mommy. I had to break him from the habit of me staying in his room until he fell asleep. Then when we had our second son, things got a little more back to the wanting to be with me (maybe from baby waking him up in the night for feedings, etc.).
At the moment I can honestly say that out of a 2 week period I am getting one night a week without him waking up screaming and upsetting himself to the point he comes to my bed for comfort.
Help please, in all reality, I haven’t had a good night sleep in over 6 years.
Oh my goodness, I am so looking forward to this! My two year old will not go to sleep unless we stay in his room – and sometimes it takes over an hour for him to settle and go to sleep (couple that with the bedtime routine of bath + jammies + brushing teeth + books and it’s an at least 1.5 hour process). If I think he’s asleep and try to sneak out and he sees or hears me, we have to restart the settling process. I have a newborn to tend to as well, so my husband and I switch off each night, but by the time the toddler is in bed, it’s almost 10:30 and we’re both wiped out and crawl into bed. Aka no couples time.
We (stupidly?) rocked our toddler to sleep forever because it was sweet and he liked it, though now we at least try to set him down awake – but if we do leave while he’s awake, he literally stands in his crib and screams until he’s hyperventilating and one of us takes pity and goes back into his room to rock him. Help! I dread bedtime.
This post is so reassuring that I’m not the only one!! My 2 year old has been getting up every night for the last 6 months any time from 1am-3am. I’m the past I would just tuck her back in and she would go back on her own. But these past 6 months when I would try that she would have a horrible meltdown and wake the whole house. She would scream until I lay in bed with her. Her doctor says it’s separation anxiety and that I should lay with her until she falls back to sleep and then sneak out. However that doesn’t work because I’m so tired I pass out! I’m not opposed to crying it out it’s just that she wakes the whole house!! Help!!
I have the same problem with my 6 year old daughter. She has slept in my room for the past year and a half. She sleeps in a bed I put in my room for her. I have no problems ever getting her to sleep. But now she has decided to sleep in her own room but she wants me to sleep in there with her. So I lay in bed with her until she falls asleep and I sneak back into my room. But she wakes up in the middle of the night and runs right back into my room and falls asleep in her bed in my room. I wish i knew how to fix this. She says shes scared being by herself and just wants her mommy to cuddle with. Now I can’t sleep cause I’m afraid shes gonna wake up and catch me sleeping in my room. Wish i could fix thisproblem..
Sweet Lord, I am so PUMPED you are doing this! I have an almost 3-year-old, & I confess I do the same thing, with the same issues. Sometimes I’m happy to lay with her, sometimes I need to do things, & sometimes it’s a great excuse for me to pass out early, but in her bed & not mine.
We do pretty well with a strict bedtime, but I also admit I’ve never been able to cry it out. So, if it’s not too much to ask, I’d love to see an option for that to be covered in her tips as well.
My 7-year-old will sleep through the night only if I’m with her until she falls asleep. She feels safe this way. My 9-year-old is very patient and waits for her sister to fall asleep and then it’s her turn. As you can guess it takes a long time to get them to sleep, but when we have school they’re so tired it’s usually 15 minutes max. This school year I’m thinking of getting my oldest half an hour later to bed so that she has that time with me and doesn’t feel she needs to wait for her sister to fall asleep every night. We’ll see how it goes!
Sleep is hard! It is easy to judge from afar, same as most aspects of parenting lol. But then harder when in the literal thick of it as so many variances come into play – the mood of the children, their emotional abilities, their ages, their closeness in age etc.
For me, mine are 6 years apart so was never a problem to have separate rooms/bedtimes. That certainly helped a lot! I also had set routines when little that rarely deviated from – such as bath-bottle-book-bed (cutting out bottle and bath not necessarily every night once deveopmentally appropriate). That didn’t mean they didn’t protest at times, but it made it easier for them to know the preditability of the routine. Also once lights out would sing 1-2 songs.
Some nights they would protest going, and I would let them “start out in Mommy’s room”. I was clear I would NOT stay with them but would let them be in my bed to fall asleep, then would transfer to own room once asleep. That worked like a charm!! They were happy and felt safe in my bed but I still got to do things around the house . I get that is harder in your circumstance but maybe could alternate nights they get to do it and has to be earned by going to bed nicely when they start in their own room? Not a threat, as reward. Don’t empty threat though, if you rule is settle nicely on own one night then next night can start in your bed, if they don’t settle don’t let them be in your room the next night. Then try again. This would work well with staggering bedtimes. Say the first night Harlow gets to start in your room and gets 15 min of you snuggling, while Mazzy gets to stay up in living room, then you join her for 15 minutes to read. Then next night, do same thing but Harlow in her own bed and Mazzy in your room to read instead of living room. That way if one loses priviledge of being in your room it doesn’t affect the other.
Don’t feel guilty if you aren’t enjoying it or getting frustrated. Just because kids outgrow phases and some of the phase is pleasant doesn’t mean other aspects of the phase doesn’t suck donkey-balls. I don’t at all miss my teen not wanting to snuggle with me in bed. We get quality time watching mutually enjoyable shows and I enjoy my alone time with hubby when she buggers off. To encourage her to go some nights I tell her we are going to Make out. Lol.
My son is 4.5 and has sensory processing disorder so he Has had significant sleep issues (as do many, many neurodivergent people) that are NOT a result of us not being consistent or trying everything ever written about how to get your kids to sleep. I hate when people make comments Implying we just aren’t consistent or haven’t tried or, worst of all, that we just don’t value sleep as much as they do or else we’d make him sleep. It’s a physiological issue. And has had enormous physical and mental health implications for me. So it’s absolutely not for lack of desire or trying. He just now has really started sleeping consistently. We worked with a sleep consultant which helped tremendously! We also use a weighted blanket and Lycra wrap on his bed to give him a deep calming sensory input which is calming for pretty much everyone but critical for him. I also have been reading a book about circadian rythyms and have gotten kind of intense about increasing light exposure immediately in the morning and through the day and then not letting lights be on in the time leading up to bedtime. And he has black out curtains to improve melatonin production. I would like to know what your sleep consultant knows about melatonin, magnesium and other supplementation! We also use a Dohm sound machine which is AMAZING. One of the biggest things or sleep consultant found to be true for us and she said most of her clients is that a lot of kids will go to sleep easier for one parent or the other. My son would always prefer that I do bedtime, but he does 100x better when my husband executes it. Exact same routine! So my husband does the majority of it. But I’m always on the lookout for great, professional advice on sleep for kids like my son because it’s an extremely tedious balance for him. Especially when travelling. We can’t go on trips still because it’s so bad! One of the other things our consultant reassured me on, but I wish more professionals would say, is that it wasn’t my fault that we had so many issues. It has always been who he is, and a big piece in a neurological disorder. I carried so much guilt for years because I never knew anyone who struggled the way we did and almost nothing I read came with the caveat of, “these recommendations may not work for a child who has a bigger underlying issue that is really the root of the sleep problem. And that isn’t anyone’s fault.”
My 7 year old has the EXACT same issues you describe and I really really really want to figure out how I can get him to fall asleep in his room alone. I’m sick of laying with him and have tried everything.
My kids (5 year old boy and almost 3 year old girl) don’t share a room but i have VERY similar issues since my daughter has switched to a big girl bed. Honestly we end up putting my older boy to sleep first and letting my daughter stay up until eventually falling asleep downstairs or in our bed, because otherwise she will wake her brother up and like you said, it’s just less yelling this way. Looking forward to some helpful tips!
I think we’re living the same life. I get spisssd when i have to spend 2 hours of my night laying with both my kids (almost 5 and 11) until they fall asleep. My oldest is 11 for God sake!!! UGHHHHH. I can’t wait to read the post!!
I would love suggestions on how to deal with bedtimes for a large range of ages. We have an 8 yo boy and 5 yo and 20 mo girls. We end up putting them all to bed at the same time (though they’re in separate rooms) so one of do the “bigs” and one of us is on “little” duty. But all 3 require is to stay in the room until they’re either asleep or close to it. It’s exhausting! I’m wondering how do we best tag team to get all 3 to bed without any fuss!
Our boys share a room and it used to be hard. We addressed each issue differently, according to development, whether a fear of “loud clouds,” a need to drink glass after glass of water, or wanting too many stories. But one thing is clear to me: kids deserve the mental and emotional space to fall asleep on their own, to think their own thoughts, and to sooth themselves. If their needs- physical and otherwise- are being met, then they require nothing less than our willingness as parents to let them go, to imagine things, to calm themselves. To wonder: am I ok? To answer: yes.
It is truly wonderful to lie down at the end of the day and imagine new things, privately. It’s also important to learn to respect others’ sleep, to not wake people. This was a difficult lesson for our middle child who just turned 5. He wants to disturb his brother and play. But we take that very seriously, since sleep is a health issue.
It doesn’t really matter whether kids love the bedtime routine or not… what matters is whether parents are giving them good sleep habits for the future, and teaching them to trust themselves and respect others. So: staggered bedtimes and never lie down with the kids, I would say. The bed is their private place at bedtime, even if it’s used for play or reading earlier. The privacy of a sleeping place is another important lesson. You can still have- and deserve- privacy, quiet, darkness, and a good sleep, even in a shared space.
I have a 10 year old & a 7 year old. I still lay with both of them. My husband sometimes works nights, so on those nights it’s easy, I just let them both sleep in my bed & we all lay down together…then when they’re asleep I sneak out & get some me time. When my husband is home, we alternate who gets to lay with who…they both want to lay with me, so we just alternate & they are ok with Dad. BUT there are nights my husband or myself fall asleep in their beds & we don’t want to!! Also, I want to start letting my 10 year old stay up later than my 7 year old, but I’m not sure how to implement that…and will that mean they both get me, so I’ll have to lay with both kids?! It’s hard. But I’m right there with you.
Hi, I love this post because I’m a behavioral therapist who works with children on the autism spectrum. When observing behaviors in children, we always look for the MO, the motivating operator. What is making the children behave this way; what is so motivating that they would do anything to get it.
That leads me to the one question that stands out to me in this post, what is their motivatation in procrastinating bedtime? Is it something as simple as wanting attention or are they not able to complete tasks that are above their capabilities?
Once you figure out what is their motivation, everything else will fall into place with a consistent routine, demands and rewards. Just for example, if it was extra attention, you can have book time on the couch, before bedtime. That way they get their attention then. A chart might be very motivating for them to accomplish what they need to in order to get ready for bed in record time. And the reward would obviously have to be something that they love for the chart to work effectively. You would minimize attention given during the sleep routine as it is something you want to extinct. This is just one example of how you can utilize and customize behavior methodology for anything.
Can’t wait to hear from your sleep consultant and all the new tips she will have. Best of luck to you and your family!
My 3.5-year old needs our snuggles to fall asleep. This has always been the case and we transitioned him to a full-sized bed early because we didn’t see it changing anytime soon and figured we might as well make it comfortable for ourselves. He still gets up every night and comes into our bed. We now bought a hatch light that is programmed to turn on at a certain time and he knows he’s only allowed to come into our bed once the light comes on. I push the time it comes on back by 5 minutes every night. If he succeeds in waiting, he gets a sticker in the morning and he gets to pick out a toy car after a certain number of stickers. This is working well for now but we’re only at 1 AM and I fear it won’t work when we get to later hours. Looking forward to hearing what the sleep consultant says.
My 4 year old falls asleep no problem. But she wakes up so many times in the night and can’t fall back asleep without being tucked back in. Now she has had sleep issues since day 1. And we have tried literally everything. So the fact that she now sleeps alone in her bed and in her room is a huge improvement. But I just want her to sleep through the night. Please!!
I am so in need of this series! My newly turned 4 year old is driving us crazy at bedtime. I’m interested in hearing how to handle bedtime with an overly anxious kid. He acts so afraid of sleeping by himself right now. Like I walk out of the room and he starts screaming bloody murder and completely distressed tears. I’ve tried comforting, being firm and confident, plenty of warnings and setting expectations, but it always devolves into me on the verge of tears and completely frustrated. Even when he does finally pass it, he often wakes up in the middle of the night screaming for us and then begging to come into our bed. He was always an amazing sleeper and I patted myself on the back for keeping consistent bedtime rules. And now, I’m at a loss.
This couldn’t come at a better time! While he’s not quite a big kid, at just over two years old, my son is struggling with bedtime. It has always been fairly easy when it came to sleep training him, from self soothing, to sleeping through the night, and even when we transitioned him to a toddler bed, which only took about two weeks, two months before his second birthday. It’s now been five or six months since he has been in his toddler bed, and it feels likes we are back at the beginning. He will not stay in bed once we leave the room. Both six months ago, and now, I have tried the “100 walks” method, but it just doesn’t work for him – he doesn’t tire out from it, it’s turned into a game for him that get’s him more active than rested. What did work then and is somewhat working now is letting him walk around his room (which is a safe space and always under my watchful eye from the baby monitor standing right outside his door). Eventually, after about an hour, he will settle down on his own, get back into bed and fall asleep. Though this is the only strategy that has worked thus far, I am worried about the longer term consequences. Help!
I need help getting an 11 year old out of my bedroom. She starts out in her room falls asleep ok. Wakes up around 11pm and moves to my room every night. She sleeps on the floor. I kept thinking at some point she would stop on her own . I’m afraid she will still be there when she is a teenager ! Help
I have a similar situation with my 3 year-old as you do with Harlow. She plays for a long time and has a hard time settling. Part of the problem is she naps too long/too late at daycare so she’s not tired come bedtime. Daycare is unwilling to keep her up or wake her up earlier, despite my many pleas. We start her bedtime routine at 7:30 (bath, jammies, teeth brushed and books) with lights out at 8:30, but she rarely falls asleep until after 9:30. I’m not sure if there’s something we’re doing wrong, or if she is just napping too long/late (usually 1:15-3 or later). Help!
my 5 year old co-sleeps with us, since our in laws live with us; we do not have a spare room for the kid. i have to pat him to sleep every night. calming the kid down for 30mins before is an exceptionally big task when there are elders in the tv room. by the time the kid dozes off i am too tired and sleepy myself. m husband often complains i dont give him the same time i used to before the kid happened. i tried to get the kid to sleep alone on a separate bed but he used to climb up on my bed mid night and refuse to go to his bed. can you please help?
Late to this post, but we’ve dealt with our share of sleep issues here too. My daughter is slowly (*knocks on wood*) getting out of a several month long phase where she would end up on the floor in our room every.single.night. Currently I sit outside her room every night until she falls asleep. She’s 8. But it’s not worth the fight most nights.
We transitioned by almost three year old out of his crib to a bed and now he gets up several times in the night and comes into our room. He wants me to lay down with him to go back to sleep. Since he shares a room with his older sister if I don’t he cries and fussed and wakes her up. He slept through the night in his crib so I know he can do it…feeling tired/frustrated!
It is as if I was writing this post myself. I have 6 and 8 yr old boys who share a room and this is my life to a tee!! I always wind up falling asleep in one of their beds too and miss out on getting crap done or hanging with my hubby for our brief alone time!!! They were both good sleepers as newborns and toddlers too!! Now the possibility of monsters or them swearing they hear creepy noises makes them want to lay with us (mostly me). Cannot wait to read the follow up post!!!
My 5 year old is on the spectrum and has trouble falling asleep without feeling someone next to him. I’ve tried body pillows and stuffed animals in place of a person, but it’s not working. All it did was make the bed more crowded because now he needs the pillows and animals in addition to me laying next to him. If I try to stay out of the bed, he cries until he vomits which just makes it more difficult for him to relax I definitely could use some new tips!!
When we transferred my son to the toddler bed we had some problems initially but then it got better. Then once he turned about 3 1/2 he would wake up in the middle of the night and come to our bed. Surprise… 1 year later he still creeps into my bed in the middle of the night every night!!!! Not sure how to break this habit….
Here’s my opinion from what I’ve watched over the years. You
Pander and baby your girls beyond belief. If Harlow whines and uses baby voice you engage. Your girls are indulged in every single way! Harlow more than Mazzy. Food, keeping them constantly busy of course they expect you to be st their beck and call for bed!
I look at it like this there will come a day we will miss it and they won’t want us to sleep with them anymore. Enjoy it!
I think it’s time for you to be the adult and the boss of your house, not your kids. You and Mike need to decide on the bed time routine, tell them what is not acceptable and stick to it. There will be tears and manipulation but it’s time to be the mum, they are only going to get worse. The way I read your post, you are being manipulated.
Boy can I relate. I have a 5 year old and we go through everything you’ve just described. I always assumed it had something to do with the loooooong day she has, (afterall- my K years were half a day…), leaving her little time to play and wind down herself. We do a routine, (snack, teeth, 3books, song,) and even put on soothing music. About 1 night a week, this works. The other 6 are a sh*tshow of procrastination and power dynamics.. We’ve set boundaries of “you can stay in your bed/room and look at books/ draw, don’t have to sleep. When you’re tired, go to sleep.” To eliminate the power dynamic… and give her time to unwind… doesn’t work. Ends up being 11pm… My question is- If they truly don’t seem tired, what is appropriate for 5 and up in terms of bedtime boundaries? Should they be allowed to decide when they are tired enough to sleep, and if so, what are appropriate boundaries during this time to keep them on track? And should there be punishments for boundary breaking, (or does this feed into a power dynamic?)
Ahhhhhhhhhh, maybe she has some advice for me!… my 7 year old boy, who used to be a rockstar sleeper, now wakes me at least 2x’s a night every single night. Like shouldn’t he be sleeping a solid 10-12 hours every night?! Most nights I can walk him back to his room, do all the mumbo jumbo again, then 3 hours later, same thing. On top of waking multiple times a night, 6am every day. Like aren’t you tired kid, mom sure is!?! I’ve tried essential oils, an ok to wake clock, nightlights, new routines, you name it I feel like I’ve tried it. How can I get him to stay in bed all night AND stay asleep all night?? Help, I’m desperate!! My almost 2 year old sleeps better than the 7 year old.
It’s about consistency and a great routine. I posted on here because of a book called Robots Bedtime. It’s the best thing we’ve ever done. It makes them relax and they don’t get up because they are charging their batteries. Our 7 year old has slept through every night since weve been doing it.
I saw this and had to share. My son has had problems for over a year, last week I bought a book on amazon called Robots Bedtime (sorry don’t know how to do links) by Matt Ince and Saffron Paterson and it has worked every night since we had it and he seems to be more rested too. You basically switch them off but the story makes it all nice and we generally have been doing it twice. We tried everything and this worked so well, try it if you have problems.
Single mom here…I really about want to bash my head against the wall. If it isnt my stubborn 3 year old refusing to use the potty its thr fact he refuses to go to sleep without me laying with him…FOR TWO DAMN HOURS STRAIGHT. And what makes me so much more frustrated is I have done literally everything that is recommended on Google, we already have a bedtime routine: bath/brush teeth, pjs, goodnight kisses, lay down for storytime and then cuddles after. Only he just doesnt stop moving around or stop talking and I’m often pissed off after the first hour drags by….mainly because I have 3 million things to do when I finally get me time, which is supposed to be after he falls asleep (IF THAT EVER HAPPENS IN TIME FOR ME NOT TO BE COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED). I’m at a loss of what to do. He absolutely refuses to go to sleep without me (he quite literally screams bloody murder “DONT LEAVE” and runs straight out of bed with tears like someone is trying to kill him). If I tried laying him down he pops back up begging me to stay and refuses to lay down unless I do. WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO??? I’m going insane over here forreal….